Yeah I know there are a decent few here, but I don't think it is representative enough compared to the last census, which showed 35% of Tulpa were completely human, and 30-35% were pony.
I'm only slightly disturbed because of the chance of a form legitimately standing between a personality and any meaningful progress.
11:57 AM
When it comes to people's preferences as they are expressed through a tulpa, it is sometimes the case that the visualization takes top priority while the person takes a lower priority. The result is a tulpa that might develop into a more well rounded person after years of the host making sure they're imposing the wrinkles in their purple bow in their hair correctly and the 30th outfit has been created.
11:58 AM
Not that there's anything wrong with working on imposition at all, just when it takes so much of a priority that it would be taking away from self-development and this sort of thing.
Eh I don't have to worry about that with AJ, she's developing just fine and her form is, well, frankly kind of rough. I have a rough idea, and part of the point of choosing a pre-done form was to make form easy which it has. She has her own form sort of now and she's even got her own name which I'll change too when my boy Robert from Houston adds me
I don't understand the reassurance you are trying to say. I mean, any name given to a tulpa is just that, a name.
12:40 PM
Tulpas can even choose their own names if they find it to be a problem, so I don't think names are a big problem.
12:41 PM
Neither is form, as if a tulpa doesn't want one form or another they can decide what they look like on some level or decide to avoid taking form at all.
12:41 PM
My only-- well, the only issue I see is precisely when the tulpa and the host end up with an extreme focus on form and visualization to the detriment of any personality development or self improvement.
12:42 PM
If that's not the case for you, that's fine. But when people put an extreme focus on the form, I still get a bit concerned.
I dunno, at the start, and I mean pre imposition... Its still attention, which as we know is incredibly important for a level 0 tupp.
12:45 PM
I mean pre vocalization
12:45 PM
I'm super distracted
12:48 PM
And about names, its more about distancing AJ (nor Abby, at least we are trying it out) away from her base. Form I don't care about, name too, she says shes impartial on Abby, but wants to be her own person so Abby it is!
12:48 PM
Oof need to update it then
12:49 PM
Now I know I come off as a self centered individual at the moment, ant that is entirely correct, but the point I am trying to make is that most of these changes are symbolic to people.
If names are a big issue, then it's okay to have multiple names. Cat technically has 3 names, Cat here, Gray in the wonderland, and her real name. One time she wanted to give me credit in her personal math notes so she asked if she could call me Roger in the notes (since there are not many people named Ranger).(edited)
And don't worry about making progress in other areas. Feel free to experiment, however posession, switching and imposition should not be your focus. Make sure Abbey/AJ is comfortable first and then gently move into those other things.
does anyone know of something like a tulpa text based game that? I played game called "my very own lith" and I wound up thinking about the main character almost like a tulpa, but it made me think that a game like that could help somehow
it could work with descriptors that you fill in to define how you and your tulpa look, so "you look (up/down) at (tulpa's name/names) you see can see in theirs (eye/eye's) that they're excited" but to be fair this could be done as some sort of rollplay journal that a text based game with set actions and stuff but I think it would still be cool
It would kind of be a sort of parroting or puppeting I guess. I know I would probably be a little uncomfortable with the idea of having an entire story where I took the place of a character inside it and was made to interact or respond in ways that were dictated and not emergent from any idea of my personality.
So a pet simulator but the pet is a human? I guess some Tuppers are based or inspired from inanimate objects (such as stuffed animals or famous characters), but I personally would feel weird to have my face on a simulator game...?
more multiplayer choose your own adventure that could work as a form of forcing, I mean there's only so many options you could have, your tulpa could have choices just as you do when you write or say stuff for them when you don't have possession figured out(I forget the name)(edited)
I see, maybe there's enough commonalities between the normal tulpa that a choose your own adventure could be an interesting exercise in choice for a primitive tulpa that isn't exactly vocal but also isn't exactly non-responsive.
There are some older languages which support context. You can tell them "Water is wet", " The ocean is made of water" and then ask "Is the ocean wet?".
Seems to be suited for this scenario
Hmm. That reminds me of a board game we played when Diana was just vocal. It was called Tales of the Arabian Nights and mostly took the form of scenario > choice. She had fun and says it was useful. Something like that?
@bduddy #Diana# that would be cool I've just been having a hard time getting to proper mind voice so something that could work with a simple A B or C would be nice
You could ask simple questions. "Would you like me to catch this pokemon?" "Move A, B, C, or D?" "Which pokemon should I throw out next? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6?"
I do get stuff that I don't think is just intrusive thoughts and every once in a while I get things that seems almost half imposed that I can only link to Hanna
I've tried pretty much every guide( the one grand canyon one where you echo her seems the best so far) only thing that Ihavent tried is drugs and metaphysics, well as far as I'm aware(edited)
5:29 AM
the best recent exchange we had was I said "hello / hello Hanna" she said "hi" back that kind of took me by surprise so I said "that actually sounded pretty good" and she responded "of course"
The host vocal signature is almost the most recognizable vocal signature to use. It's the voice by definition you create in speaking any language, so it prpobably is a default in the mind too.
Aww, that is nice. My first real recognized communication with my host was in English, too, before we just used thoughts and before we just stopped needing too much communication at all
I wonder, what exactly do you do when you force? I mean, I'm curious as to the nature of the person who develops for four years in this manner. That is nearly my age.
So @Aren you heard her. And then you say you got too excited. So... Did you try again later? The next day? It should be much easier once you know what you're talking to.
@Jas What I do when I force really depends on how well I can visualize that day on good days we go on adventures, try to work on Hanna's development, or work on the wonderland a bit but since I got a more demanding job I'm having trouble getting in good forcing especially without getting tired enough that foring turns into uncontrolled dreaming(even sitting up) so that is probly playing a factor in not being able to visualize as easy. As for Hanna's personality I went more broad such as curious, kind , creative (I had more of them written down but I can't find them right now) but from what I have been able to gather she likes the color orange and liking the cute little jumping spiders again lost notes with little time
I normally try to force after work since I work early so the risk of falling asleep makes forcing even with an alarm tricky, as of late end up forcing just before bed due to family I have heard that the sooner you force after waking up the better maybe I'll have to start going to bed sooner so I can force in the morning
I guess my question is more like, this personality has had so much time to be exposed to such a broad range of stimuli, it should be almost as fully fledged as any tulpa of 2 active years would be. If not more.
1:47 AM
I have no doubt you have noticed her personality changing into something more organic and less strictly categorized within whatever descriptive terms you started with, right?
I thought of a way that might help people distinguish mindvoices, provided that their systemmate is vocal and sentient. The host could think a certain thought, ask their thoughtform to repeat that thought, then identify differences. Would that be helpful?
Well, if it were just the copy of the same thought, there may not be differences
3:07 AM
However, normally a tulpa's pattern of thinking, the signature underlying how their thoughts are structured, is distinct enough from the host to be seen as alien to them.
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